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> <channel><title>Comments for Nearly Legal</title> <atom:link href="http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/comments/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog</link> <description>Housing law news and comment</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 13:10:25 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=</generator> <item><title>Comment on Housing and Human Rights Round-Up by S</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2012/05/housing-and-human-rights-round-up/#comment-296474</link> <dc:creator>S</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 13:10:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=8059#comment-296474</guid> <description>I&#039;m not sure Yordanova really takes us all that further.
First, theere was only a violation because the procedural requirements of proportionality hadn&#039;t been considered. They didn&#039;t actually say that the eviction would be disproportionate. Nor is it clear that it would be. At para 131 they note that &quot;Article 8 does not impose on Contracting States an obligation to tolerate unlawful land occupation indefinitely.&quot;
Second, they draw a distinction between this case - where a whole community is being evicted from land they have occupied for 40 years - &quot;from routine cases of removal of an individual from unlawfully occupied property&quot; [121]. In this country such circumstances are going to be rare (albeit not unheard of; I&#039;d be interested to have known what Strasbourg thought of Dale Farm).
Third, what they say at [129] is subsequently qualified at [131] by saying:
&quot;Article 8 does not in terms give a right to be provided with a home (see, Chapman, cited above, § 99) and, accordingly, any positive obligation to house the homeless must be limited (see O’Rourke v. the United Kingdom (dec.), no. 39022/97, ECHR 26 June 2001). However, an obligation to secure shelter to particularly vulnerable individuals may flow from Article 8 of the Convention in exceptional cases&quot;.
The positive obligation under Article 8 is an incredibly high hurdle to cross and the courts have repeatedly held that it is unlikely to be crossed unless you are close to a breach of article 3.
Thus, I don&#039;t think this case is as of much assistance as it may first a ppear.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure Yordanova really takes us all that further.</p><p>First, theere was only a violation because the procedural requirements of proportionality hadn&#8217;t been considered. They didn&#8217;t actually say that the eviction would be disproportionate. Nor is it clear that it would be. At para 131 they note that &#8220;Article 8 does not impose on Contracting States an obligation to tolerate unlawful land occupation indefinitely.&#8221;</p><p>Second, they draw a distinction between this case &#8211; where a whole community is being evicted from land they have occupied for 40 years &#8211; &#8220;from routine cases of removal of an individual from unlawfully occupied property&#8221; [121]. In this country such circumstances are going to be rare (albeit not unheard of; I&#8217;d be interested to have known what Strasbourg thought of Dale Farm).</p><p>Third, what they say at [129] is subsequently qualified at [131] by saying:</p><p>&#8220;Article 8 does not in terms give a right to be provided with a home (see, Chapman, cited above, § 99) and, accordingly, any positive obligation to house the homeless must be limited (see O’Rourke v. the United Kingdom (dec.), no. 39022/97, ECHR 26 June 2001). However, an obligation to secure shelter to particularly vulnerable individuals may flow from Article 8 of the Convention in exceptional cases&#8221;.</p><p>The positive obligation under Article 8 is an incredibly high hurdle to cross and the courts have repeatedly held that it is unlikely to be crossed unless you are close to a breach of article 3.</p><p>Thus, I don&#8217;t think this case is as of much assistance as it may first a ppear.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Carpets, covenants and &#8216;the well-being of lawyers&#8217; by Chrs</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2012/05/carpets-covenants-and-the-well-being-of-lawyers/#comment-296225</link> <dc:creator>Chrs</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 09:07:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=8107#comment-296225</guid> <description>&quot;Thus the total costs thrown away amount to £140,134. If the parties were driven by concern for the well being of lawyers, they could have given half that sum to the Solicitors Benevolent Association and then resolved their dispute for a modest fraction of the monies left over.&quot;
As judical comments go that is hilarious.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thus the total costs thrown away amount to £140,134. If the parties were driven by concern for the well being of lawyers, they could have given half that sum to the Solicitors Benevolent Association and then resolved their dispute for a modest fraction of the monies left over.&#8221;</p><p>As judical comments go that is hilarious.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Carpets, covenants and &#8216;the well-being of lawyers&#8217; by Jonathan</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2012/05/carpets-covenants-and-the-well-being-of-lawyers/#comment-293978</link> <dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 14:36:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=8107#comment-293978</guid> <description>&quot;Not all neighbours are from hell. They may simply occupy the land of bigotry. There may be no escape from hell but the boundaries of bigotry can with tact be changed by the cutting edge of reasonableness skilfully applied by a trained mediator. Give and take is often better than all or nothing.&quot;
Ouch!!!! but fair comment</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not all neighbours are from hell. They may simply occupy the land of bigotry. There may be no escape from hell but the boundaries of bigotry can with tact be changed by the cutting edge of reasonableness skilfully applied by a trained mediator. Give and take is often better than all or nothing.&#8221;</p><p>Ouch!!!! but fair comment</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Jones v Kernott: Ending the big debate? by Liya</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2011/11/jones-v-kernott-ending-the-big-debate/#comment-292875</link> <dc:creator>Liya</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 20:16:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=7366#comment-292875</guid> <description>true said NL.. They think its a essay answering website machine lol.. Get a life people..</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>true said NL.. They think its a essay answering website machine lol.. Get a life people..</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Catching up with 2010 Part 1 &#8211; disrepair by NL</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2011/01/catching-up-with-2010-part-1-disrepair/#comment-292870</link> <dc:creator>NL</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 20:02:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=5916#comment-292870</guid> <description>It is arguable either way.
Liability for the defect doesn&#039;t arise until the expiry of &#039;a reasonable time&#039;, so there is the argument that that is when the clock starts ticking on damages. The tenant would have had to live with the defect for that period anyway. Damages then run until works completed.
On the other hand, the landlord&#039;s failure to do anything in the &#039;reasonable time&#039; could be a basis for arguing liability for damages runs from day 1, as the time taken for repairs is still to come. On this view damages would then run until works are arranged (if not carried out)
It comes to the same period overall, though.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is arguable either way.</p><p>Liability for the defect doesn&#8217;t arise until the expiry of &#8216;a reasonable time&#8217;, so there is the argument that that is when the clock starts ticking on damages. The tenant would have had to live with the defect for that period anyway. Damages then run until works completed.</p><p>On the other hand, the landlord&#8217;s failure to do anything in the &#8216;reasonable time&#8217; could be a basis for arguing liability for damages runs from day 1, as the time taken for repairs is still to come. On this view damages would then run until works are arranged (if not carried out)</p><p>It comes to the same period overall, though.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Jones v Kernott: Ending the big debate? by NL</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2011/11/jones-v-kernott-ending-the-big-debate/#comment-292855</link> <dc:creator>NL</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 19:48:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=7366#comment-292855</guid> <description>Oh dear, Lewis.
If it is any help, I also went to state school, am very far from rich and don&#039;t know any of &#039;the right people&#039;.
And, as I would hope would be clear, I am sure that there are many students who will make excellent lawyers. Just probably not the ones who want us to write their essays for them.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear, Lewis.</p><p>If it is any help, I also went to state school, am very far from rich and don&#8217;t know any of &#8216;the right people&#8217;.</p><p>And, as I would hope would be clear, I am sure that there are many students who will make excellent lawyers. Just probably not the ones who want us to write their essays for them.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Housing and Human Rights Round-Up by SJM</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2012/05/housing-and-human-rights-round-up/#comment-292796</link> <dc:creator>SJM</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 18:22:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=8059#comment-292796</guid> <description>This feature of the Court&#039;s decision is a result of the Protocol 14 and Interlaken process, which recommended that Courts identify structural problems in their judgements. The Committee of Ministers&#039; 2011 Annual Report refers to a number of ongoing cases where remedies in civil proceedings have been ineffective (Bulgaria v Kitov/Djangozov/Dimitrov) even though mistreatment of the Roma community doesn&#039;t appear to be an issue</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This feature of the Court&#8217;s decision is a result of the Protocol 14 and Interlaken process, which recommended that Courts identify structural problems in their judgements. The Committee of Ministers&#8217; 2011 Annual Report refers to a number of ongoing cases where remedies in civil proceedings have been ineffective (Bulgaria v Kitov/Djangozov/Dimitrov) even though mistreatment of the Roma community doesn&#8217;t appear to be an issue</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Jones v Kernott: Ending the big debate? by Lewis</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2011/11/jones-v-kernott-ending-the-big-debate/#comment-292186</link> <dc:creator>Lewis</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 02:16:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=7366#comment-292186</guid> <description>This Article started out really well!! But 65% of it is just bullshit bitchyness. It actually puts me off being a lawyer. Ive been a hard worker since 14 I am now 19 and I am two years through a law degree and have a scholarship. And I went to state school. This means nothing to you however if you refer to the top it explains how the whole cohabiting couples mess has come about as judges do not have any experience ofcreal life!! Private school,  being rich and knowing the right people is all you need to get a job as a lawyer. Then look how you act pathetically arguing with students and ruining a perfectly good website. I think you need to stop thinking your better than everyone else just because your a lawyer.  You might have that job but it doesn&#039;t mean any one of us couldn&#039;t do it better than u</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Article started out really well!! But 65% of it is just bullshit bitchyness. It actually puts me off being a lawyer. Ive been a hard worker since 14 I am now 19 and I am two years through a law degree and have a scholarship. And I went to state school. This means nothing to you however if you refer to the top it explains how the whole cohabiting couples mess has come about as judges do not have any experience ofcreal life!! Private school,  being rich and knowing the right people is all you need to get a job as a lawyer. Then look how you act pathetically arguing with students and ruining a perfectly good website. I think you need to stop thinking your better than everyone else just because your a lawyer.  You might have that job but it doesn&#8217;t mean any one of us couldn&#8217;t do it better than u</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Catching up with 2010 Part 1 &#8211; disrepair by Richard</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2011/01/catching-up-with-2010-part-1-disrepair/#comment-290492</link> <dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 16:37:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=5916#comment-290492</guid> <description>Really interesting blog, thanks.  Our boiler has been out of action for 2 1/2 weeks now and so I&#039;ve been doing quite a bit of research into LL obligations under s.11, what is a &quot;reasonable time for a repair&quot; and what would be an appropriate starting point for a reduction in rent by way of compensation.
We&#039;re going to ask for a 50% reduction but I&#039;m not sure whether this should apply after a reasonable time (14 days at this time of year?) has elapsed, or from day 1 of the problem.
If anyone has any thoughts on this I would be very interested in hearing your views.
Thanks
Richard</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really interesting blog, thanks.  Our boiler has been out of action for 2 1/2 weeks now and so I&#8217;ve been doing quite a bit of research into LL obligations under s.11, what is a &#8220;reasonable time for a repair&#8221; and what would be an appropriate starting point for a reduction in rent by way of compensation.</p><p>We&#8217;re going to ask for a 50% reduction but I&#8217;m not sure whether this should apply after a reasonable time (14 days at this time of year?) has elapsed, or from day 1 of the problem.</p><p>If anyone has any thoughts on this I would be very interested in hearing your views.</p><p>Thanks</p><p>Richard</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on But that isn&#8217;t what it says&#8230; by NL</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2012/05/but-that-isnt-what-it-says/#comment-290093</link> <dc:creator>NL</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 09:59:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=8088#comment-290093</guid> <description>Michael - the address for service of notices etc. is required by s.48, not s.47 and that can be quite different (and can be the agent&#039;s address). I agree that this can mean landlords evading enforcement.
But the LVT hasn&#039;t stopped landlords not putting their address on rent demands. S.47 says they must, but there is no penalty. It is only service charges that aren&#039;t due unless the address is included. Rent is still due.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8211; the address for service of notices etc. is required by s.48, not s.47 and that can be quite different (and can be the agent&#8217;s address). I agree that this can mean landlords evading enforcement.</p><p>But the LVT hasn&#8217;t stopped landlords not putting their address on rent demands. S.47 says they must, but there is no penalty. It is only service charges that aren&#8217;t due unless the address is included. Rent is still due.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
