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> <channel><title>Comments on: Mortgages, sale of property and human rights</title> <atom:link href="http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/10/horsham-properties-group-ltd-v-1-paul-clark-2-carol-beech-and-gmac-rfc-ltd-third-party-and-the-secretary-of-state-for-justice-intervener/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/10/horsham-properties-group-ltd-v-1-paul-clark-2-carol-beech-and-gmac-rfc-ltd-third-party-and-the-secretary-of-state-for-justice-intervener/</link> <description>Housing law news and comment</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 14:36:47 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=</generator> <item><title>By: Valerie</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/10/horsham-properties-group-ltd-v-1-paul-clark-2-carol-beech-and-gmac-rfc-ltd-third-party-and-the-secretary-of-state-for-justice-intervener/#comment-86725</link> <dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:40:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=773#comment-86725</guid> <description>I have a case where LPA/Fixed Charge receivers have been appointed, in a money demand business mortgage situation where the property is also the mortgagors home.  I am looking at using s91(2) LPA 1925 to attempt to get the property back to sell, and inter alia the Art 8 proportionality argument as although the mortgage document gave the bank the contractual right to appoint and sell, they did not give the mortgagor a chance to redeem when there was no threat to their security, there being sufficient equity and the mortgagor had alternative funding set up to pay off the mortgagee.  I have not been able to find any recent cases on s91 at all let alone mortgage repossession using human right arguments.  Has anybody else seen any or got any ideas?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a case where LPA/Fixed Charge receivers have been appointed, in a money demand business mortgage situation where the property is also the mortgagors home.  I am looking at using s91(2) LPA 1925 to attempt to get the property back to sell, and inter alia the Art 8 proportionality argument as although the mortgage document gave the bank the contractual right to appoint and sell, they did not give the mortgagor a chance to redeem when there was no threat to their security, there being sufficient equity and the mortgagor had alternative funding set up to pay off the mortgagee.  I have not been able to find any recent cases on s91 at all let alone mortgage repossession using human right arguments.  Has anybody else seen any or got any ideas?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lorna</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/10/horsham-properties-group-ltd-v-1-paul-clark-2-carol-beech-and-gmac-rfc-ltd-third-party-and-the-secretary-of-state-for-justice-intervener/#comment-16806</link> <dc:creator>Lorna</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 23:25:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=773#comment-16806</guid> <description>Hi NL &amp; Suzanne
The point regarding the &#039;right to redemption&#039; being lost; was to do with the fact that once the receivers had sold the property, Mrs Beech was not left in a position to sell the property herself; so as to exercise an &#039;equitable right to redemption&#039;.. which is what most mortgagors seek to do; i.e the right to redeem the debt themselves by either re-mortgage, sale of the house etc. Likewise, there was no longer any equitable right to redeem the mortgage, because the property had been sold literally &#039;over her head&#039; and for all intense and purpose without her knowledge... this meant that MJ Briggs could not look to rely on any protection for Mrs Beech under the equitable maxim of redemption either ..... also based on the fact that she was in default of the mortgage terms and conditions at the time of the sale.
Suzanne, I think I understand where you are coming from, you are saying that if there was equity in the property at the time of the sale, say of £2k.... when it was sold by GMAC, it would appear that Ms Briggs lost that £2k at the time of the sale? I think your way of thinking is spot on.. she lost it. Had she not been in default at the time of the sale, M J Briggs may have come to a different conclusion in order to protect not only her right to her home, but also her right to the equitable gains built up over the years in the property. I think you make an interesting point. Being in default of mortgage payments seems that not only your human right is affected but also all right to your home to a lender such as GMAC, who themselves are not a conventional mortgage lender, they literally only give homeowners funding against their homes for pure investment purposes, with the intention of selling your home on firstly to investors (undercover of course); then on the open market for an additional profit. I was one of the lucky ones, I re-mortgaged away from them years ago!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi NL &amp; Suzanne</p><p>The point regarding the &#8216;right to redemption&#8217; being lost; was to do with the fact that once the receivers had sold the property, Mrs Beech was not left in a position to sell the property herself; so as to exercise an &#8216;equitable right to redemption&#8217;.. which is what most mortgagors seek to do; i.e the right to redeem the debt themselves by either re-mortgage, sale of the house etc. Likewise, there was no longer any equitable right to redeem the mortgage, because the property had been sold literally &#8216;over her head&#8217; and for all intense and purpose without her knowledge&#8230; this meant that MJ Briggs could not look to rely on any protection for Mrs Beech under the equitable maxim of redemption either &#8230;.. also based on the fact that she was in default of the mortgage terms and conditions at the time of the sale.</p><p>Suzanne, I think I understand where you are coming from, you are saying that if there was equity in the property at the time of the sale, say of £2k&#8230;. when it was sold by GMAC, it would appear that Ms Briggs lost that £2k at the time of the sale? I think your way of thinking is spot on.. she lost it. Had she not been in default at the time of the sale, M J Briggs may have come to a different conclusion in order to protect not only her right to her home, but also her right to the equitable gains built up over the years in the property. I think you make an interesting point. Being in default of mortgage payments seems that not only your human right is affected but also all right to your home to a lender such as GMAC, who themselves are not a conventional mortgage lender, they literally only give homeowners funding against their homes for pure investment purposes, with the intention of selling your home on firstly to investors (undercover of course); then on the open market for an additional profit. I was one of the lucky ones, I re-mortgaged away from them years ago!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: NL</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/10/horsham-properties-group-ltd-v-1-paul-clark-2-carol-beech-and-gmac-rfc-ltd-third-party-and-the-secretary-of-state-for-justice-intervener/#comment-56</link> <dc:creator>NL</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:39:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=773#comment-56</guid> <description>Suzanne,
I don&#039;t think I can put it much clearer than in the comment above. Equity of redemption is the right to recover ownership once a mortgage liability is paid off. It has nothing to do with &#039;equity&#039; in the sense of the sale value of the property over and above the mortgage liability.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzanne,</p><p>I don&#8217;t think I can put it much clearer than in the comment above. Equity of redemption is the right to recover ownership once a mortgage liability is paid off. It has nothing to do with &#8216;equity&#8217; in the sense of the sale value of the property over and above the mortgage liability.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Suzanne McClure</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/10/horsham-properties-group-ltd-v-1-paul-clark-2-carol-beech-and-gmac-rfc-ltd-third-party-and-the-secretary-of-state-for-justice-intervener/#comment-55</link> <dc:creator>Suzanne McClure</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:17:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=773#comment-55</guid> <description>Sorry to respond to your comment of 10 November so late, but I am interested in your point about the loss of the equity of redemption not meaning the loss of the equity. I have read various commentries on the case and have not seen any other discussion on the distinction between equity of redemption and equity, and was never clear if the borrower did lose their equity. I wondered how you formed your view that the two are different. Is there a particular authority or commentary on the point? Thanks</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to respond to your comment of 10 November so late, but I am interested in your point about the loss of the equity of redemption not meaning the loss of the equity. I have read various commentries on the case and have not seen any other discussion on the distinction between equity of redemption and equity, and was never clear if the borrower did lose their equity. I wondered how you formed your view that the two are different. Is there a particular authority or commentary on the point? Thanks</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Btl Repossesion Without Court Order Lawful - House Price Crash forum</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/10/horsham-properties-group-ltd-v-1-paul-clark-2-carol-beech-and-gmac-rfc-ltd-third-party-and-the-secretary-of-state-for-justice-intervener/#comment-54</link> <dc:creator>Btl Repossesion Without Court Order Lawful - House Price Crash forum</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:17:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=773#comment-54</guid> <description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] to this analysis this seems to be what happened in the recent case highligheted by the OPhttp://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/10/hors...ice-intervener/so it looks like even if the house is occupied this procedure can be used - and it can apply to [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
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isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=773#comment-53</guid> <description>There is now a rather &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/76031846-aea9-11dd-b621-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hyperventilated account of the case&lt;/a&gt; in the Financial Times.
I&#039;m wondering which un-named lawyers they found to respond with &#039;astonishment&#039;, certainly not any who deal with property litigation - we were somewhat surprised to se this used on a residential mortgage, but it happens all the time with BTL. The FT also manages not to mention that it is a contractual point - the power to appoint receivers was in the mortgage agreement, as was the power of sale, although s.101 LPA 1925 would also confer that. And, while I&#039;m getting all aerated, the Court most certainly didn&#039;t suggest that the mortgagors &#039;lost their equity when they fell into arrears&#039;. The Court said - old old law this - that the equity of redemption is extinguished when a contract for sale is made. It doesn&#039;t mean the mortgagor wouldn&#039;t get any left over &#039;equity&#039; in terms of the proceeds of sale, it means that their right to the ownership of the property once the mortgage is paid off is extinguished once a contract for sale is made (not when they enter arrears).
Honestly, these slow, dim and inaccurate journos...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is now a rather <a
href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/76031846-aea9-11dd-b621-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1" rel="nofollow">hyperventilated account of the case</a> in the Financial Times.</p><p>I&#8217;m wondering which un-named lawyers they found to respond with &#8216;astonishment&#8217;, certainly not any who deal with property litigation &#8211; we were somewhat surprised to se this used on a residential mortgage, but it happens all the time with BTL. The FT also manages not to mention that it is a contractual point &#8211; the power to appoint receivers was in the mortgage agreement, as was the power of sale, although s.101 LPA 1925 would also confer that. And, while I&#8217;m getting all aerated, the Court most certainly didn&#8217;t suggest that the mortgagors &#8216;lost their equity when they fell into arrears&#8217;. The Court said &#8211; old old law this &#8211; that the equity of redemption is extinguished when a contract for sale is made. It doesn&#8217;t mean the mortgagor wouldn&#8217;t get any left over &#8216;equity&#8217; in terms of the proceeds of sale, it means that their right to the ownership of the property once the mortgage is paid off is extinguished once a contract for sale is made (not when they enter arrears).</p><p>Honestly, these slow, dim and inaccurate journos&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark P</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/10/horsham-properties-group-ltd-v-1-paul-clark-2-carol-beech-and-gmac-rfc-ltd-third-party-and-the-secretary-of-state-for-justice-intervener/#comment-52</link> <dc:creator>Mark P</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:39:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=773#comment-52</guid> <description>Wow.  I haven&#039;t heard of this before.  I&#039;m rather gobsmacked this could operate with a residential mortgage.  I can&#039;t help but wonder why lenders don&#039;t take this route more often?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I haven&#8217;t heard of this before.  I&#8217;m rather gobsmacked this could operate with a residential mortgage.  I can&#8217;t help but wonder why lenders don&#8217;t take this route more often?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: J</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/10/horsham-properties-group-ltd-v-1-paul-clark-2-carol-beech-and-gmac-rfc-ltd-third-party-and-the-secretary-of-state-for-justice-intervener/#comment-51</link> <dc:creator>J</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:30:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=773#comment-51</guid> <description>@NL - Yes, I too have seen quite a few receivership cases involving BTL mortgages but this was the first one I&#039;d seen in the owner/occupier context.
One of my professional joys is fighting the &#039;sub prime&#039; / &#039;off high street&#039; lenders in mortgage possession cases. The argument that usually gets them rushing to settle is one based on the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999.
J</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@NL &#8211; Yes, I too have seen quite a few receivership cases involving BTL mortgages but this was the first one I&#8217;d seen in the owner/occupier context.</p><p>One of my professional joys is fighting the &#8216;sub prime&#8217; / &#8216;off high street&#8217; lenders in mortgage possession cases. The argument that usually gets them rushing to settle is one based on the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999.</p><p>J</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nearly Legal</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/10/horsham-properties-group-ltd-v-1-paul-clark-2-carol-beech-and-gmac-rfc-ltd-third-party-and-the-secretary-of-state-for-justice-intervener/#comment-50</link> <dc:creator>Nearly Legal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:26:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=773#comment-50</guid> <description>I&#039;ve seen some s.101/receivership possessions, but all involved Buy to Let mortgages, where I understand it is pretty common. Using this route against residential mortgages is nasty - and I&#039;m not surprised it was GMAC doing it.
I agree that the reliance on Quazi means that the decision is, to some extent, out of date. I suspect you are right that there will be further challenges.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen some s.101/receivership possessions, but all involved Buy to Let mortgages, where I understand it is pretty common. Using this route against residential mortgages is nasty &#8211; and I&#8217;m not surprised it was GMAC doing it.</p><p>I agree that the reliance on Quazi means that the decision is, to some extent, out of date. I suspect you are right that there will be further challenges.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
