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	<title>Comments on: Mortgage possessions - Gordon feels your pain</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Craig Keenan</title>
		<link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/mortgage-possessions-gordon-feels-your-pain/#comment-6374</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Keenan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 14:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...interesting stuff from the government there, particularly as they appear to miss the problem with the wider picture - if repos increase, the demand on social housing increases. And that's already at breaking point. £10 million is nowhere near enough.  

CLP are the lead agency in the Bham County Court Duty Possession Scheme. I am the only one here who does the mortgage cases (along with colleagues from a number of other firms in the area and the Court Welfare Office). My anecdotal yet very real evidence about the increase in number of mortgage possession cases is this: MAY 2007 - 18 mortgage lists (each of around 25-30 claims per list) in Birmingham County Court; MAY 2008 - 25 mortgage lists in Birmingham County Court. You can prove 'owt with numbers, but by my maths that's almost a 39% increase in a year. Further, we seem to be are advising (on the Duty Possession scheme) more people who cannot afford to pay the instalment let alone anything off the arrears (a significant amount of those cases are because of fixed/discount rates ending). Norgan is a very helpful case, but even it can't magic money from somewhere! Further, house prices in the area have certainly come down and properties are taking longer to sell. So there's less you can do unless an arguable defence comes up - and it's sometimes difficult to spot a defence when you have about 5-10 minutes with each client. 

More worryingly, some Defendant's attend court clutching letters from  Companies that "purchase and rent back" to you - you get an indication in the paperwork of a five year rent guarantee BUT with a one year assured shorthold tenancy. Oh, and the agreed sale price with such companies is always something around the mortgage redemption figure plus a couple of grand on top (to keep you quiet). Reprehensible. 

I was doing advocacy in mortgage repos in the early 1990's and I never believed mortgage repos would be as high again or negative equity would return! Like a rabid dog, it's back, drooling and biting hard. £10million isn't going to muzzle it. (Really sorry about the pun; it's monday, I've got 3 County Court appeals to issue in the next few days and it amused me)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;interesting stuff from the government there, particularly as they appear to miss the problem with the wider picture - if repos increase, the demand on social housing increases. And that&#8217;s already at breaking point. £10 million is nowhere near enough.  </p>
<p>CLP are the lead agency in the Bham County Court Duty Possession Scheme. I am the only one here who does the mortgage cases (along with colleagues from a number of other firms in the area and the Court Welfare Office). My anecdotal yet very real evidence about the increase in number of mortgage possession cases is this: MAY 2007 - 18 mortgage lists (each of around 25-30 claims per list) in Birmingham County Court; MAY 2008 - 25 mortgage lists in Birmingham County Court. You can prove &#8216;owt with numbers, but by my maths that&#8217;s almost a 39% increase in a year. Further, we seem to be are advising (on the Duty Possession scheme) more people who cannot afford to pay the instalment let alone anything off the arrears (a significant amount of those cases are because of fixed/discount rates ending). Norgan is a very helpful case, but even it can&#8217;t magic money from somewhere! Further, house prices in the area have certainly come down and properties are taking longer to sell. So there&#8217;s less you can do unless an arguable defence comes up - and it&#8217;s sometimes difficult to spot a defence when you have about 5-10 minutes with each client. </p>
<p>More worryingly, some Defendant&#8217;s attend court clutching letters from  Companies that &#8220;purchase and rent back&#8221; to you - you get an indication in the paperwork of a five year rent guarantee BUT with a one year assured shorthold tenancy. Oh, and the agreed sale price with such companies is always something around the mortgage redemption figure plus a couple of grand on top (to keep you quiet). Reprehensible. </p>
<p>I was doing advocacy in mortgage repos in the early 1990&#8217;s and I never believed mortgage repos would be as high again or negative equity would return! Like a rabid dog, it&#8217;s back, drooling and biting hard. £10million isn&#8217;t going to muzzle it. (Really sorry about the pun; it&#8217;s monday, I&#8217;ve got 3 County Court appeals to issue in the next few days and it amused me)</p>
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		<title>By: Nearly Legal</title>
		<link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/mortgage-possessions-gordon-feels-your-pain/#comment-6372</link>
		<dc:creator>Nearly Legal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmad, if you would be interested in contributing a piece on mortgage possessions, please email me. I personally don't do any in practice and, although I'm aware of the basics, a view from someone active in the field would be very useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmad, if you would be interested in contributing a piece on mortgage possessions, please email me. I personally don&#8217;t do any in practice and, although I&#8217;m aware of the basics, a view from someone active in the field would be very useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmad</title>
		<link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/mortgage-possessions-gordon-feels-your-pain/#comment-6369</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 09:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is possible to prevent very many mortgage repossessioins if only proper legal advice is sought at the right time ( 'buy to let' are often the exceptions ). Unfortunately there are no equvilent sites to 'Nearly Legal' addressing the numerous complex leagl defences in Mortgage law as there are for Housing law.

Only a limited number of CABx have adequetely trained advisers the vast majority of bureaux simply aim to negotiate an arrangement of sorts with lenders, simply because they are unaware of what other valid arguments that could be run.

Ahmad Butt
Director IPR
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London
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible to prevent very many mortgage repossessioins if only proper legal advice is sought at the right time ( &#8216;buy to let&#8217; are often the exceptions ). Unfortunately there are no equvilent sites to &#8216;Nearly Legal&#8217; addressing the numerous complex leagl defences in Mortgage law as there are for Housing law.</p>
<p>Only a limited number of CABx have adequetely trained advisers the vast majority of bureaux simply aim to negotiate an arrangement of sorts with lenders, simply because they are unaware of what other valid arguments that could be run.</p>
<p>Ahmad Butt<br />
Director IPR<br />
6-9 Manor Gardens<br />
London<br />
N7 6LA</p>
<p>Tel:  020 7561 3685<br />
Fax: 020 7561 3682</p>
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		<title>By: Housinganger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Housinganger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 23:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah my dumb, to many NHAS's for me to cope with. 

In any event it's probably £10 million that no one will actually ever see.

ITV news did a feature about your last point about the poor tenants. I tried to find the link but failed miserably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah my dumb, to many NHAS&#8217;s for me to cope with. </p>
<p>In any event it&#8217;s probably £10 million that no one will actually ever see.</p>
<p>ITV news did a feature about your last point about the poor tenants. I tried to find the link but failed miserably.</p>
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		<title>By: Nearly Legal</title>
		<link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/mortgage-possessions-gordon-feels-your-pain/#comment-6350</link>
		<dc:creator>Nearly Legal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 21:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yebbut that NHAS is the homeless advice service, not 'housing' advice service.

Agreed on the multiple loans. Secured loans seem particularly eager to repossess.

Of course the other big issue is the repossession of lots of buy to let, making for a lot of tenants losing homes in circumstances where they can do nothing about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yebbut that NHAS is the homeless advice service, not &#8216;housing&#8217; advice service.</p>
<p>Agreed on the multiple loans. Secured loans seem particularly eager to repossess.</p>
<p>Of course the other big issue is the repossession of lots of buy to let, making for a lot of tenants losing homes in circumstances where they can do nothing about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Housinganger</title>
		<link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/mortgage-possessions-gordon-feels-your-pain/#comment-6346</link>
		<dc:creator>Housinganger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 20:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are two NHAS numbers, 1 is for the public and 1 for CABx which I've used a number of times.

I'd be interested to know the number of self declared mortgages that were taken out where people lied about their income. I'm sure tiis is a big unknown as both sides at the time thought they would benefit.

A lot of people don't just have 1 mortgage but also 1 or 2 secured loans tied to the property to.

I see so many people in negative equity using over 50 pct on their income to pay their mortgage and secure loans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are two NHAS numbers, 1 is for the public and 1 for CABx which I&#8217;ve used a number of times.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to know the number of self declared mortgages that were taken out where people lied about their income. I&#8217;m sure tiis is a big unknown as both sides at the time thought they would benefit.</p>
<p>A lot of people don&#8217;t just have 1 mortgage but also 1 or 2 secured loans tied to the property to.</p>
<p>I see so many people in negative equity using over 50 pct on their income to pay their mortgage and secure loans.</p>
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		<title>By: Nearly Legal</title>
		<link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/mortgage-possessions-gordon-feels-your-pain/#comment-6342</link>
		<dc:creator>Nearly Legal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 18:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's what I thought it might be, but the MoJ press release insists on the 'National Housing Advice Service'. I'm puzzled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I thought it might be, but the MoJ press release insists on the &#8216;National Housing Advice Service&#8217;. I&#8217;m puzzled.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/mortgage-possessions-gordon-feels-your-pain/#comment-6340</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 18:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The National Homelessness Advice Service, as far I could tell, is a Shelter project  to provide second-tier advice to CABx, and possibly a few other agencies .. but  mostly CABx.  It's not quite the same as front line workers who will represent in court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The National Homelessness Advice Service, as far I could tell, is a Shelter project  to provide second-tier advice to CABx, and possibly a few other agencies .. but  mostly CABx.  It&#8217;s not quite the same as front line workers who will represent in court.</p>
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		<title>By: Nearly Legal</title>
		<link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/mortgage-possessions-gordon-feels-your-pain/#comment-6328</link>
		<dc:creator>Nearly Legal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 12:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a number of reasons, but one version would be that people mortgaged themselves to the limit of what they could afford to buy a property (or remortgaged to the hilt to get more money out of their property). They are therefore very sensitive to any increase in mortgage interest rates. Rates have gone up, or people are at the end of fixed interest rate deals and are facing higher rates. Re-mortgaging has become very difficult because the banks want higher rates. So people can't afford the mortgages (and have trouble selling the property).

The banks, having handed out loans like penny sweets to anyone who asked are now having a panic because they have suddenly realised that they might not get their money back - this was fine as long as house prices kept going up - lots of equity - but once they stagnate or fall, the bank's money is at risk. As a result, the banks have over-reacted and aren't lending to anybody much at all unless they have lots of money themselves already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a number of reasons, but one version would be that people mortgaged themselves to the limit of what they could afford to buy a property (or remortgaged to the hilt to get more money out of their property). They are therefore very sensitive to any increase in mortgage interest rates. Rates have gone up, or people are at the end of fixed interest rate deals and are facing higher rates. Re-mortgaging has become very difficult because the banks want higher rates. So people can&#8217;t afford the mortgages (and have trouble selling the property).</p>
<p>The banks, having handed out loans like penny sweets to anyone who asked are now having a panic because they have suddenly realised that they might not get their money back - this was fine as long as house prices kept going up - lots of equity - but once they stagnate or fall, the bank&#8217;s money is at risk. As a result, the banks have over-reacted and aren&#8217;t lending to anybody much at all unless they have lots of money themselves already.</p>
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		<title>By: Ekaterina</title>
		<link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/mortgage-possessions-gordon-feels-your-pain/#comment-6324</link>
		<dc:creator>Ekaterina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 08:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be a stupid question, but why is this happening?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be a stupid question, but why is this happening?</p>
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