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> <channel><title>Comments on: Duty to protect update 1</title> <atom:link href="http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/duty-to-protect-update-1/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/duty-to-protect-update-1/</link> <description>Housing law news and comment</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 09:56:35 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=</generator> <item><title>By: X v Hounslow</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/duty-to-protect-update-1/#comment-1806</link> <dc:creator>X v Hounslow</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:09:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=478#comment-1806</guid> <description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] helpful sprites). It isn&#8217;t up on Bailii yet, though. Previous posts on this one are here and here - this was the case that apparently instituted a potential duty of care for local authorities to [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
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src="http://nearlylegal.co.ukblog/wp-content/plugins/kramer.php?kramer=gif-icon" class="technorati-balloon" alt="Kramer auto Pingback" style="border:0;" /></a>[...] helpful sprites). It isn&#8217;t up on Bailii yet, though. Previous posts on this one are here and here &#8211; this was the case that apparently instituted a potential duty of care for local authorities to [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nearly Legal</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/duty-to-protect-update-1/#comment-1805</link> <dc:creator>Nearly Legal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:58:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=478#comment-1805</guid> <description>William, above and beyond dedication to be reading this blog while on holiday! A copy of the Hounslow judgment is on its way to you, but as my most recent post sets out, it is negligence only, with no nuisance involvement, and frankly a bit of a mess - J&#039;s comment is worth reading. The Court of Appeal will have to make of it what it can, but I can&#039;t call it from this judgment.
Mowan is by the by, but your background is interesting. Pity about the adoption argument - I can see the basis for that.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William, above and beyond dedication to be reading this blog while on holiday! A copy of the Hounslow judgment is on its way to you, but as my most recent post sets out, it is negligence only, with no nuisance involvement, and frankly a bit of a mess &#8211; J&#8217;s comment is worth reading. The Court of Appeal will have to make of it what it can, but I can&#8217;t call it from this judgment.</p><p>Mowan is by the by, but your background is interesting. Pity about the adoption argument &#8211; I can see the basis for that.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: William Flack</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/duty-to-protect-update-1/#comment-1804</link> <dc:creator>William Flack</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:05:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=478#comment-1804</guid> <description>Sorry to be so slow in responding to your question about Mowan. I have been on holiday all this week. For the two weeks before that I was working flat out to try and get all loose ends tied up before going away. This meant that I did not get to check out your blog which I normally do every couple of days. Thanks to free wi-fi across the road from my hotel I can now make contact again.
I am still waiting to see a judgment for the Hounslow case before I can comment with any confidence. Mowan sounds like a very different set of facts from this new case. In Mowan we were dealing with the council’s failure to take action to evict or control a nuisance neighbour. That neighbour had mental health problems. The Housing Department would normally have taken action against the neighbour but the Social Services Department who were supporting the neighbour were able to veto these. We were trying to argue that in doing so the council were adopting the nuisance. This argument failed.
Although they rejected her claim the Judges were sympathetic to the considerable nuisance which Ms Mowan was subjected to by the neighbour. It is all a long time ago now but I think that the public law action concerned the failure of the council to take action to stop the nuisance. There was also the suggestion that an action might lie under the Human Rights Act which had not been in force when the proceedings were issued. Unfortunately after seeing her case go all the way to the House of Lords and fail Ms Mowan could not face any further litigation and so we did not explore these two avenues.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to be so slow in responding to your question about Mowan. I have been on holiday all this week. For the two weeks before that I was working flat out to try and get all loose ends tied up before going away. This meant that I did not get to check out your blog which I normally do every couple of days. Thanks to free wi-fi across the road from my hotel I can now make contact again.</p><p>I am still waiting to see a judgment for the Hounslow case before I can comment with any confidence. Mowan sounds like a very different set of facts from this new case. In Mowan we were dealing with the council’s failure to take action to evict or control a nuisance neighbour. That neighbour had mental health problems. The Housing Department would normally have taken action against the neighbour but the Social Services Department who were supporting the neighbour were able to veto these. We were trying to argue that in doing so the council were adopting the nuisance. This argument failed.</p><p>Although they rejected her claim the Judges were sympathetic to the considerable nuisance which Ms Mowan was subjected to by the neighbour. It is all a long time ago now but I think that the public law action concerned the failure of the council to take action to stop the nuisance. There was also the suggestion that an action might lie under the Human Rights Act which had not been in force when the proceedings were issued. Unfortunately after seeing her case go all the way to the House of Lords and fail Ms Mowan could not face any further litigation and so we did not explore these two avenues.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nearly Legal</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/duty-to-protect-update-1/#comment-1803</link> <dc:creator>Nearly Legal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 21:14:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=478#comment-1803</guid> <description>Judicial Review - but this would only extend to the lawfulness of any decision by the Council to take, or not take action. See para 40 of Mowan.
I&#039;ve just noticed that Mowan was a Flack &amp; Co case. Any views on this Hounslow case in relation to Mowan, William?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judicial Review &#8211; but this would only extend to the lawfulness of any decision by the Council to take, or not take action. See para 40 of Mowan.</p><p>I&#8217;ve just noticed that Mowan was a Flack &#038; Co case. Any views on this Hounslow case in relation to Mowan, William?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: housinganger</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/duty-to-protect-update-1/#comment-1802</link> <dc:creator>housinganger</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 10:20:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=478#comment-1802</guid> <description>Reading through Mowan at point 28 Sir C Staughton says
Alternatively there is the possibility of public law proceedings against the Council. I do not believe that such proceedings are necessarily bound to fail, by a long chalk. But that is only a matter of first impression, without the benefit of argument.
What sort of proceedings would these be?
Apologies if it&#039;s an obvious answer</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading through Mowan at point 28 Sir C Staughton says</p><p>Alternatively there is the possibility of public law proceedings against the Council. I do not believe that such proceedings are necessarily bound to fail, by a long chalk. But that is only a matter of first impression, without the benefit of argument.</p><p>What sort of proceedings would these be?</p><p>Apologies if it&#8217;s an obvious answer</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nearly Legal</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/duty-to-protect-update-1/#comment-1801</link> <dc:creator>Nearly Legal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 22:41:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=478#comment-1801</guid> <description>No, no. I meant that the line of cases concern a landlord&#039;s liability for their tenant&#039;s nuisance. In this case, it doesn&#039;t appear that the youths were tenants of the landlord, or at least it is not mentioned.
It does appear to be negligence based - although granted negligence is rejected in Mowan et al. But there, negligence is taken as nuisance by another name&#039;, so again, perhaps at least in part distinguishable if one is not making it as a &#039;landlord liable for tenant&#039;s nuisance&#039; claim?
I can&#039;t figure it out yet, though.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, no. I meant that the line of cases concern a landlord&#8217;s liability for their tenant&#8217;s nuisance. In this case, it doesn&#8217;t appear that the youths were tenants of the landlord, or at least it is not mentioned.</p><p>It does appear to be negligence based &#8211; although granted negligence is rejected in Mowan et al. But there, negligence is taken as nuisance by another name&#8217;, so again, perhaps at least in part distinguishable if one is not making it as a &#8216;landlord liable for tenant&#8217;s nuisance&#8217; claim?</p><p>I can&#8217;t figure it out yet, though.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: J</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/duty-to-protect-update-1/#comment-1800</link> <dc:creator>J</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 21:50:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=478#comment-1800</guid> <description>If it wasn&#039;t nuisance then it must have been nuisance (and the reference to a &#039;duty of care&#039; in the report points this way). But negligence was expressly rejected in Hussain and Smith - Mowan at [22]...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it wasn&#8217;t nuisance then it must have been nuisance (and the reference to a &#8216;duty of care&#8217; in the report points this way). But negligence was expressly rejected in Hussain and Smith &#8211; Mowan at [22]&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nearly Legal</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/duty-to-protect-update-1/#comment-1799</link> <dc:creator>Nearly Legal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 21:07:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=478#comment-1799</guid> <description>Or indeed &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2000/357.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mowan v Wandsworth [2000] EWCA Civ 357&lt;/a&gt;
I suppose one point of distinguishing may be that this was not a nuisance caused by other tenants, so not a landlord being liable for his tenant&#039;s nuisance.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or indeed <a
href="http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2000/357.html" rel="nofollow">Mowan v Wandsworth [2000] EWCA Civ 357</a></p><p>I suppose one point of distinguishing may be that this was not a nuisance caused by other tenants, so not a landlord being liable for his tenant&#8217;s nuisance.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: J</title><link>http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2008/05/duty-to-protect-update-1/#comment-1798</link> <dc:creator>J</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:48:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/?p=478#comment-1798</guid> <description>This really does look interesting. I wonder how the claimant got past Hussain v Lancaster CC [1999] 2 WLR 1142 and Smith v Scott and others [1973] 1 Ch 314.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This really does look interesting. I wonder how the claimant got past Hussain v Lancaster CC [1999] 2 WLR 1142 and Smith v Scott and others [1973] 1 Ch 314.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
